Mike Solana joins Erik, Dan, and Antonio to track the rise and ‘vibe shift’ away from the woke industrial complex, Peter Thiel's core economic, political, and religious ideas and his future legacy. We're proudly sponsored by Vanta. Get $1000 off Vanta with www.vanta.com/zen Moment of Zen is part of the Turpentine podcast network. Learn more: www.turpentine.co CHECK OUT RELATED EPISODES: Erik's Upstream interview with David Sacks: www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_fVQHuxiZ8 TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Episode Preview (05:25) Behind the scenes of Mike’s Peter Thiel interview (13:00) Mike’s hypothesis behind the waves of woke culture dominance since 1995 until today (15:36) Sponsors: Vanta, NetSuite (17:41) What explains the vibe shift away from identity politics today, if it is actually in decline. (25:51) Substack materially changed the discourse, i.e. Richard Hanania (29:32) The Feminist Critique of Snow White discourse on TikTok (31:50) Anon accounts (33:37) Has culture changed or are we just more siloed? (36:00) Hunter Biden discredits mainstream culture on the left and the right (39:27) The rise and (maybe?) fall of DEI in tech (41:47) Thiel's stance on economics, science and technology, politics, and faith (45:33) Is Thiel's religious argument based on a misread of the bible? (52:43) Do the neo-Nietzscheans actually have a constituency? (55:18) Which GOP nominees, if any, are influenced by intellectual movements? (1:01:31) How do intellectual ideas actually drive political power in the US? (1:03:31) What do people want in a political candidate (1:05:13) Autoerotic self-pardoning (1:08:00) Is Thiel backing away from the anti-woke cause (1:14:35) World War meme (1:15:30) Thiel's legacy LINKS: Peter Thiel: The Diversity Myth, A Retrospective, Pirate Wires www.piratewires.com/p/peter-thiel-the-diversity-myth-a Peter Thiel, The New Criterion newcriterion.com/issues/2023/6/the-diversity-myth René Gerard, I See Satan Fall Like Lightning www.amazon.com.au/See-Satan-Falling-Like-Lightning/dp/1570753199 X: @micsolana (Mike) @antoniogm (Antonio) @dwr (Dan) @eriktorenberg (Erik) @MOZ_Podcast SPONSORS: Vanta | NetSuite Vanta Are you building a business? If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta. Achieving compliance can actually unlock major growth for your company and build customer loyalty. Vanta automates up to 90% of Compliance work, getting you audit-ready in weeks instead of months and saving 85% of associated costs. Moment of Zen listeners get $1000 off at www.vanta.com/zen NetSuite NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, head to NetSuite: netsuite.com/ZEN and download your own customized KPI checklist.